Wednesday, August 3, 2011

A Race Debate

On Monday night, one of my neighbor friends transferred her bib to me for the Annapolis 10 mile race. She had signed up a while ago, but since then her husband received PCS orders to move in a tight time frame. This meant that she'd no longer be here when the race is held (end of this month), so she ever so nicely gave me her bib. I like when races give you an option to transfer your bib, especially if they don't do deferments!

The Annapolis 10 mile race is actually a fairly large event: about 5,500 run the race and they close down traffic for the race. I had wanted to run the race, but it's somewhat expensive (in my book) and with all of my other races, it seemed like it was too much to pay for just 10 miles. I do a "cost per mile" assessment before signing up for any race. :)

This should be an interesting race for me. Annapolis in late August? Those hills? Running across that bridge twice with no shade?

Look! Jet thingys!

This is not marketed as a flat run:

At least the last mile is downhill-ish?

I was reading about the rules for the race and I came across something...troublesome. Now, I'm used to races having time cut-offs. Every race I've ever done has a time cut-off. This race has a pretty strict cut-off of maintaining 12:00 minute miles, or else you either get swept at mile 8 or you can finish, but you won't get your medal or your jacket. 

I can see both sides of this issue:

Pro cut-off:

  • They can only close down the roads for so long.
  • The race is run by volunteers and their time is valuable.

Anti cut-off:
  • Someone can train and work their butt off and still have a hard time running faster than 12:00 minute miles. That doesn't make them less of a runner and they should get a fricking medal and their damn jacket if they finish. 
  • It makes the event more intimidating than it should be. 

I'm not anti cut-offs for races in general, but I think maintaining 12:00 minute miles is too strict.  I mean, what would adding 20 minutes to the overall time the roads are closed really matter? Also, even if the roads are reopened, the runners that choose to continue should still get their jacket and medal. They paid for the race and they finished the race. Heck, I have shirts for races I didn't even run, how can they deny swag to someone for running ten miles in 2:05 instead of 1:59? 

There is a strong likelihood that I will finish the race and get my medal and swag and then go out and wait and give it to someone who finished too late. Why? Because I think getting out there and running a race and being in the back of the pack takes WAY more guts than being a boring middle of the pack runner like me. 

I got a taste of what that must be like at my last 50K. Everyone had already gone home and soon after we crossed the finish line, they started packing everything up. Yes, I know our finish time was good and it was more because most of the people ran a shorter event, but it still kinda sucked to have such an anti-climatic ending to a race and see most people driving away as we were running toward the finish. 

I don't know if this race is trying to make that jacket a status symbol or something with calling it the "Finisher's Premium" and only awarding it to people who finish under a certain pace. I hope not, because that's pretty elitist. It's like when people say things like "Well, you're not a REAL marathoner if it took you 6 hours to finish". I always want to smack those people. 

*Note: I would feel the same about giving my swag away even if I had paid the full price for this race.

Where do you stand on this issue? Do you think races should establish cut-off times that are more inclusive for all runners? Or is it ok for larger events that require road closures to cater more toward the middle of the pack runners?


Would your race swag be more meaningful if you had to "earn" it versus everyone getting it?

I will announce the winners of the Fisher House Raffle at 1:30pm today! You still have time!!

23 comments:

  1. I'm shocked that they won't get a medal or jacket! That's the whole reason to run the damn thing (IMO). If you pay the race fee you deserve the perks. This makes me mad.

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  2. This is seriously so upsetting to me :(

    As one of those 12 minute milers I can totally understand why races have cut off times. I have no problem with that at all. In fact, I have completed many races where all the water stops have been broken down by the time I get there and the roads are re opened to traffic. I get it that people need to move on. No problem.

    What I have a problem with is the not getting the medal and jacket. That is some serious bullshit. I still completed the race. I should get the damn medal and jacket just like everyone else who finished faster than me.

    And you rock for wanting to give your swag to someone who is slower :) That is awesome.

    Oh, and P.S., I REALLY hope it doesn't take me 6 hours to finish my Marathon (there is definitely a good chance that may happen), but even if it does I will STILL BE A MARATHONER!!! Thanks, just had to get that off my chest ;)

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  3. I agree with you about the 12-minute mile cut-off being ridiculous. I'm not anti-cut off, but I think a 12-minute cut-off to run 10 miles is crazy, especially since everyone paid for the race and trained for the race and deserve their swag, dammit!

    I think that if you run the race (or walk part of it even), if you finish, then you're a runner...and a finisher.

    P.S. I can't wait for 1:30 :)

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  4. And Kim, yes, you would still be a marathoner if you finished in 6 hours...or even 12 hours! (I know you won't take that long, I'm just saying :)

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  5. As a slow runner, I think that's unfair. I get nervous when races close at 16 min/miles, but I understand why. I just think 12 min/miles leave no room for being ill or getting injured during the race or even for it being really hot. I think what you are planning is really awesome, though!

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  6. After my last 10 miler experience (no cut off time listed on the website, and closing the finish line less than 2 minutes before my friend finished), I have to say, at least they are up front about their policies. Although, she did still get her finisher's premium. But, I agree, I felt like I respected her a lot more for pushing it for nearly 3 hours up hills in the hot sun, then for me to run it in under an hour and a half. Eric wouldn't have even counted as a finisher in this race! I don't see why they don't just reopen the roads but continue to let people finish. I mean, are they trying to make this a more elitist race? Or just attract faster runners? Very odd policy. But, honestly, I'm too cheap to give away a free jacket. Especially if the website warns you to get your ass jiggling out there.

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  7. yeah, like your other poop friend said, at least they're up front about it. If you don't think you can run a 12 min mile, then why pay the high price to enter?

    If they didn't advertise that fact, THEN made a time cut-off, then that would be a serious dick move.

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  8. I think so long as they don't tell you on race day that they're shutting down with a cutoff time, it's ok. I mean you should probably know before you sign up for the race what your pace will be (especially for a 10miler), so you'll know whether or not to sign up.

    It is really crappy if people say you're not a marathoner just because of your finish time though...it's a toss up

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  9. As a pretty slow runner I'm saying make the cut off atleast a 15 minute mile in this heat. I can run 9 minute miles but in the heat and on hills I slow down a lot! It makes me feel better if I tell myself that everyone had their own pace and some people just don't run fast, a.k.a. me! Swag shouldn't be denied just because you run a bit slower than everyone else!

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  10. While I completely understand the need for cut-off times, 12 minute miles seems pretty quick for a 10-mile race. And the fact that they can't finish on the sidewalk and still get their medal/jacket is not right...

    As far as giving notice making it all better - it would depend on how prominent the notice was and when they actually posted the notice. I had a friend run the Pittsburgh Marathon and in different places on the website it listed different cut-off times...and then, the day of, the volunteers implemented yet a different time. She still got her medal, but watching them roll up the race around her made me angry given the published cut-off time.

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  11. having a cutoff is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS! as a former cross country coach, one thing we really taught was cheering for the last runners regardless of whose team they are on. it was so great always seeing a sea of purple crowding the last part of the course cheering on the final runners.

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  12. I ran a half and they pulled down the finish line before some people finished. I thought that was terrible. They pulled the stuff down a half an hour before the cut off time...I guess if they advertise then at least people will know...but geez, not everyone is "elite". If you pay the dough, you should get your stuff.

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  13. I think it's totally fine for races to have cutoff times--I understand about opening roads, and extra costs, etc. As long as they are up front about it, it's ok. BUT--you definitely should still get your finisher's medal and swag, no matter how long it takes you!!

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  14. Putting on a road race is some serious work. The coordination, permits and licensing, gathering the large numbers of volunteers required is daunting. I usually error on the side of the RD and keep my complaints to a minumum knowing what all goes into road events. That said, there is a need for cutoffs and the giving of awards requires people to be there so then you fall into how long or what pace is adaquent? I do think some races what to have "faster" runners so that their race is more elitist. I disagree with that practice but it is all too common in road races...one of many factors of why I would rather run in the woods!

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  15. Wow! I can't believe that there's a cut off at a 12 minute mile! I agree with you, if people pay the money, they should get their stuff if they finish. It makes a beginner runner not feel like a "real" runner if they can't get under a 12 minute mile.

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  16. That doesn't seem fair especially if you have aid to run it. Everyone should get it if they pay to enter the race. And that is a pretty strict cut off!

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  17. Having a 12 minute mile cut off time definitely is a deterrent for some runners. Currently that's about my pace and even if I was ready to run 10 miles there's no way in h e double hockey sticks I would feel confident enough to run in a race that would turn me away at the finish line and not give me my hard earned (and paid for) swag and medal. It's like not being cool enough to be invited to the after party. I agree 100% with what you said. It does make it elitist. I know I'm not a fast runner, but I think cutting it off at 12 min/mile is a little pushy & sets a definite elitist standard. I think there is something to be said about someone who is out there running for MUCH longer and arguably working harder than the speedy gonzalas's! Just sayin, cause I'm a slow poke :-)

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  18. I agree with you. Maintaining a 12:00 pace (especially in the summer) is a bit strict. If they can shut down NYC streets for a marathon, they can sure as hell shut down streets in Annapolis for an extended period of time!!!

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  19. I agree with pretty much everyone that the 12-minute mile cutoff is a bit much. I've been nervous about 15- or 16-minute mile cutoffs before - I'm slow to start off with, and in races that long in the heat, anything can happen. Re-open the roads, sure, but don't deny anyone their medal if at all possible.

    I have to say that knowing that you're one of the faster ones (you say middle of the pack, but you're on the faster end of that group, at least) - it's really refreshing to see that you feel that way. So many people who run pretty fast tend to have a bit of an attitude about slower runners - I say, if you put the effort in to run a race, no matter what the pace you are a "real" runner.

    My experience with this sort of thing: I ran a 10K this spring with a road running club in Philly. It didn't occur to me when I signed up that the fact that it was a small race put on by the club meant that everyone would be FAST. At just under 13 minute miles, I was the slowest one there by about 4 minutes. By the time I got to the finish, everyone was waiting for them to announce awards, which kinda bummed me out. To their credit, though, they kept the finish up - and someone even told me "good job" afterward. It didn't make the whole last-place thing sting much less, but they did what they could!

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  20. It's an interesting question... I guess they made such a strict cut-off because they're trying to discourage walkers? I have no problems with cut-offs generally as long as they advertise it well in advance so people don't sign up without all the information, but I agree that it can create a level of anxiety that isn't necessary.

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  21. hahaha "your other poop friend" - hahaha.

    I'd guess they're trying to be a more elite event? I agree with Alyssa, at least they're up front about it, so you know when you register. I get that they might have to allow traffic again, but they can't keep the finish line open until everyone's done? What's ridiculous is that the race director received an entry fee for everyone participating...so they would probably plan to have a medal and jacket for all participants. Are they going to have a box of leftover medals and jackets and tell the 12:00-ers that they can't have them???

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  22. I understand having a time limit, but it just puts added pressure and anxiety on a slower runner. I am not a fast runner, but I can complete 10 miles, just not at a 12 min pace. I guess having the time limit allows people to know right away not to register if they can't make it, but it stinks to not be allowed to complete a certain race. and if someone happens to not make the time cut they should get the jacket at the very least - they paid for the race!

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  23. I get a time limit and I am totally fine with it BUT 12 minutes is a pretty quick time limit. Weather can be a big factor in my race time. I run under 12 minute miles but not by much. I probably wouldnt sign up if it had a 12 minute cut off and I get nothing for it. If they want to make it some elite run than whatever.

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